2 local promoters were arguing. I stayed quiet cuz it wasnt my business.
However, today, everyone who loves music and local bands was dragged into it.
One promoter, Dave created a fan page of the other promoter, Richie, very childish, and tried to smear his name.
Now, the entire argument was because one so called "christian" band, forever the fallen, wanted thier guarentee, and Richie, whom was not running the show, just advertising, said to talk to the person who ran it.
Now, I usually would stay out of it, but like I said in previous posts, Im sick of sugar-coating things.
Now, Ive been in the local "scene" since I was a junior in high school, thats 2006 for those who didnt know. Ive always tried to be a nice guy, a good helper to bands, helpin them move shit regardless if I was a fan or not, and always let people bum smokes off me.
But today, I lost respect for it all. For the people I thought were better than this, for the fucking bands I thought had thier shit together, and for "local hardcore scene" altogether.
Now, let me say this. Ive taken plenty of screenshots of some of the RETARDED ASS THINGS that people have said today. Mostly the blind following of Im thirsty, New England Concerts, whatever the fuck they are. Apparently, basement shows arent real shows. Well, if thats the case, then The_Network isnt a real band. Black Market Activities, the label theyre signed to, isnt a real label, which makes The Red Chord, who's vocalist runs the label, not a real band, which makes Metal Blade Records, not a real label.
Do you see where Im going with this? A show doesnt have to be about fucking money or respect. Ive played shows for 2 people, and 20 people, and each one I played with my whole heart and have always had a blast.
Next up is the fact that forever the fallen wanted a guarentee. Let me say this.
YOURE A FUCKING LOCAL BAND!
Unless you've gone on tour, unless you have physical cds to sell, not fucking itunes, and unless you have to put hard work into it, then you dont deserve a fucking dime. Apparently, money=faith with this band, since they want money every show. Well, Ive had friends bands, who're much bigger and more well known, play for jack shit, and done it out of the love of playing. You cant demand money and call yourself a christian, then act like a fucking child on facebook. The only reason these fucks play shows is cuz Dave books them on it cuz he manages them, so they dont have to sell tickets or advertise. Thier mommies and daddies pay for thier "christian" band and they get your hard earned money. Ive played shows where I advertised the shit out of it, since I was the only one who GAVE A SHIT! No one else except my buddy Josh Quicksilver helped advertise. I ended up paying out of my own hard earned money from working labor jobs with my buddy who was living in his car at the time to play, and I opened the show to a bunch of drunks and losers. And I had fun. I did what I came there to do, and that was perform. If you have to want money so bad, and threaten people who dont agree with you, when you get onstage, youre lying to people who actually believe in religion. You cant call yourself a good fucking christian band when youre greedy and fucking pompous.
And if you wanna comment how my music sucks, yeah, thats a given, since it was all demos I played with haha.
Anyway, continuing this shit, HiveSmasher and DBB just got back from a long weekend tour, and they dont get paid very much. They arent trying to get on summer slaughter and get signed to fucking relapse and get to sit with jamie fucking jasta, music is what they want to do for a living, theyre trying to make a living.
Now, as for shows themselves, everyone at im thirsty is so quick to spew out lines like WELL IF IT WASNT FOR DAVE ACACIA WOULDNT HAVE PLAYED CUZ THEY ASKED FOR 2 GRAND!
NO SHIT FAGGOT! They've toured internationally, theyve played all over, sold THOUSANDS of albums. If I was in a band that big, and that was ALL i did like they do, Id want to make a living wage off it too.
What pisses me off is how people bitch about tickets. Pay to play sucks dick. Sometimes its a neccesary evil, but when youre selling 30 tickets to a fucking local bands cd release when all theyre doing is putting it on itunes, Id rather eat my weight in poisonous fish. Asking bands for $250 UP FRONT and to sell 75 tickets per band for 5 local bands (thats more than 300 people max limit) someones losing money.
Now, Ive seen plenty of retarded arguments in the scene, but NOTHING has disgusted me more than everything I saw today.
I saw people making valid points, only to be interuppted with YOUR A PUSSY, FIGHT ME!
This scene shit disgusts me. Theres a reason I love grind, I love metal, I love heavy as shit music, because if I didnt have that, today I would have busted a window. Some of the things I read today filled my head with such FUCK that I ended up with a pounding headache.
Promoters, kids who work for em, threatening and acting like little kids to everyone. Its pathetic. Fucking pathetic.
Also, the fact that all the bands that were made fun of at one point had to play at rockos and now theyre dissing them, even though they made them money and fans, is hypocritical at best.
Theres a reason kids dont come to shows. Its not cuz the place looks like shit. You can renovate rockos all you want, the reason the "fans" broke stuff is 1-cuz you book all mosh bands and 2-because you fucking throw people out and gve them shit for wearing a band who you have a beef withs merch, so they decide to fuck things up. Thats the reason rockos is bound for failure, is because you cant just let shit go, you gotta harass your paying customers with HEY, TAKE OFF THAT BANDS SHIRT OR YOURE OUTTA HERE!
Thats the reason Richie's shows are going to be better. Back in the day, everyones memories were with August Burns Red and The Number Twelve when he booked them, not Forever the fallen and other shitty local rockos bands.
Rockos is the only venue that has a bad rep for bands. You dont hear of a ground zero band or a legion band, just rockos bands, which are shitty 12 year olds like Enemy and FTF who play chugs and predictable parts. NOT SONGS, PARTS!
There is a reason I rarely go to shows, and its not cuz Im not allowed or cuz Im a spoiled brat. Anyone who's ever had to pay bills or support a family knows the sacrifices you have to make. I make mine on shows. I have to help my family out, I have to save for a car before the one I drive dies, I have things that come first. If I have enough money, Id rather see 5 bands I know the members of and hang with in a dank, acrid smoke-filled basement that looks like something out of an Al Quada execution video than see 10 bands for nearly 3 days food, with shitty people, shitty bands, shitty service, and a bunch of gang members as security.
Ive become so jaded to everything. I dont judge a band based on how many brutal breakdowns they have, I judge based on musical talent, the lyrics, the guitar, the drums, EVERYTHING. And if I dont like em, I dont heckle them, I dont tell them they suck, I say Good Job and help them move shit, I hang with em. I dont expect people to like the demos I played with, but goddamn was I surprised when Highfire Skyline said it was sweet, and to def play shows with my buds in HiveSmasher if I got full shit done. For those that dont know, highfire skyline is a pop punk band, hivesmasher is grind/metal. It doesnt have to be about genres. Id rather see multiple bands of different genres than all the same band with the same faggy haircuts and different chugs night after night.
This isnt about makign money, selling tickets, etc. Its about a concert company acting like a bunch of fucking kids, telling people theyre fucking stupid for what they believe, putting up childish pages on facebook, and acting like tough guys. Everyone knows Im a huge pussy and Im not afraid to admit it. So the tough guy thing doesnt work on me. Bands respect is earned, not bought. You can play all the shows in the world and get your fucking money after saying you dont need it cuz you have god on your side, and that STILL wont make you a good band.
If you wanna know why I dont go to shows, heres some snaps.
Mack makes some sense of things.
Aaron hits the nail on the head.
Professionalism part 1
Sean makes a point, Im thirsty worker responds. Very "christian" of FTF.
Im thirsty worker, from a christian band, dissing a christian place? (BTW, Ive played ground zero several times, the people are very nice.)
Again, Sean admits that bands progressed, and yet Im thirsty workers continue to be kids.
Im thirsty staff being tough guys to a kid who has no intention of fighting.
Only for him since its his profile that he started the argument on.
Im thirsty workers proving only shows that cost money and have breakdowns at bars constitute as shows. (sarcasm)
Mack again, makes valid points.
Family joins the fight against kids speaking thier minds.
Too late for that.
Im pretty sure they and you did.
Puttin the blame on someone who doesnt control everyone like a hivemind.
Im thirsty worker and "christian" making fun of a 16 year old. Very christian-like.
Fuck the scene, fuck hardcore.
I know Ive made plenty of enemies with this, and I could care less. You want respect and to be taken seriously, you should stop acting like fucking kids with the facebook shit.
Oh, and before you go on spewing how I took screenshots of this whole thing and archived it on my computer, its to show everyone how fucking pathetic Im thirsty, the show scene, and the mindless "hardcore" drones are.
Valid points arent listened to, since everyone wants to have the biggest E peen by telling everyone theyre wrong for stating the truth. Truth hurts asshole.
Fuck hardcore, Ill stick to grind thanks. At least everyone gets along for the sake of it.
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